Podcasts
Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage
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Welcome to PFLAG Cape Cod’s Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage podcast series!
Launched in October 2020, this podcast program, produced by Huntington Northstar Productions of Hyannis, Massachusetts, in collaboration with PFLAG Cape Cod, explores the lives of LGBTQ+ people, their families, and allies, including members and supporters of PFLAG Cape Cod, who have dealt with issues of sexual identity/orientation, gender transition, and social acceptance.
Many episodes offer moving and intimate portraits of individuals wrestling with their sexual/gender identity, and the path they have taken toward wholeness and healthy self-acceptance. Other episodes profile the parents, family members, and allies of LGBTQ+ individuals on their own journeys toward understanding and acceptance of loved ones.
Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage is intended both to educate listeners about the challenges facing those who identify as LGBTQ+, and to help anyone struggling with issues of orientation and sexual/gender identity to find the resources and social support they need to lead happy, fulfilling lives.
Launched in October 2020, this podcast program, produced by Huntington Northstar Productions of Hyannis, Massachusetts, in collaboration with PFLAG Cape Cod, explores the lives of LGBTQ+ people, their families, and allies, including members and supporters of PFLAG Cape Cod, who have dealt with issues of sexual identity/orientation, gender transition, and social acceptance.
Many episodes offer moving and intimate portraits of individuals wrestling with their sexual/gender identity, and the path they have taken toward wholeness and healthy self-acceptance. Other episodes profile the parents, family members, and allies of LGBTQ+ individuals on their own journeys toward understanding and acceptance of loved ones.
Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage is intended both to educate listeners about the challenges facing those who identify as LGBTQ+, and to help anyone struggling with issues of orientation and sexual/gender identity to find the resources and social support they need to lead happy, fulfilling lives.
Rick Koonce (Host, Interviewer and Producer) is a former print and broadcast journalist and author or co-author of seven books. A former board member of PFLAG Cape Cod, Rick was a commentator on Public Radio’s popular business program, “Marketplace” for five years, and has conducted hundreds of interviews with people from every walk of life over the course of a 25-plus year long career in business and print and broadcast journalism.
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Click the image above to read this story which appeared in
the March/April 2021 issue of Boston Spirit magazine!
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Episode #51: Lori Duron
released December 19, 2025
In this encore episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce sits down with author and advocate Lori Duron, creator of the widely read blog Raising My Rainbow and author of the book of the same name. In the interview, originally released in February 2021, Lori shares the deeply personal and courageous journey of raising her gender-creative son, CJ, in a world that often struggles to understand difference. From CJ’s early love of Barbie dolls and princess dresses to navigating schools, healthcare systems, and public judgment, Lori reflects on how parenting a gender-nonconforming child reshaped her understanding of love, fear, advocacy, and authenticity.
Throughout the conversation, Lori explains what it means to be gender nonconforming, how CJ identifies as male while expressing himself in feminine ways, and why her family chose affirmation over “fixing.” She also opens up about the impact on her older son, Chase, the importance of education and legal protections, and the critical role PFLAG played in supporting their family. This episode is an honest, hopeful exploration of parenting with courage and compassion. (Run time: 44:54)
Takeaways:
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lori's interview.
released December 19, 2025
In this encore episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce sits down with author and advocate Lori Duron, creator of the widely read blog Raising My Rainbow and author of the book of the same name. In the interview, originally released in February 2021, Lori shares the deeply personal and courageous journey of raising her gender-creative son, CJ, in a world that often struggles to understand difference. From CJ’s early love of Barbie dolls and princess dresses to navigating schools, healthcare systems, and public judgment, Lori reflects on how parenting a gender-nonconforming child reshaped her understanding of love, fear, advocacy, and authenticity.
Throughout the conversation, Lori explains what it means to be gender nonconforming, how CJ identifies as male while expressing himself in feminine ways, and why her family chose affirmation over “fixing.” She also opens up about the impact on her older son, Chase, the importance of education and legal protections, and the critical role PFLAG played in supporting their family. This episode is an honest, hopeful exploration of parenting with courage and compassion. (Run time: 44:54)
Takeaways:
- What gender nonconformity really means.
- Why affirmation is more powerful than redirection.
- How parents can advocate effectively for their children.
- The importance of community, education, and support
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lori's interview.
Episode #50: Katherine Zappone
released December 5, 2025
In this powerful episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce sits down with trailblazing Irish leader and LGBTQ+ advocate Katherine Zappone to explore her extraordinary journey through love, loss, politics, and social change. Born in Seattle and later becoming an Irish citizen through her marriage to Ann Louise Gilligan, Katherine reflects on how their partnership sparked one of Ireland’s most transformative human rights movements. Together, they helped catalyze the landmark 2015 referendum that legalized same-sex marriage by popular vote—an unprecedented achievement in a deeply Catholic country.
Katherine also discusses her groundbreaking tenure as Ireland’s Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, where she confronted the devastating legacy of mother-and-baby homes and brought her concerns directly to Pope Francis. She shares profound insights on courage, leadership, activism, and grief—including the loss of her wife and soulmate in 2017.
Her new memoir, Love in a Time of Politics, weaves together personal and political history, demonstrating how hope and determination shape social progress. (Run time: 38:04)
Takeaways:
Listeners who feel inspired by Katherine’s story are encouraged to reach out, share their reflections, and continue conversations that drive LGBTQ+ equality forward.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Katherine's interview.
released December 5, 2025
In this powerful episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce sits down with trailblazing Irish leader and LGBTQ+ advocate Katherine Zappone to explore her extraordinary journey through love, loss, politics, and social change. Born in Seattle and later becoming an Irish citizen through her marriage to Ann Louise Gilligan, Katherine reflects on how their partnership sparked one of Ireland’s most transformative human rights movements. Together, they helped catalyze the landmark 2015 referendum that legalized same-sex marriage by popular vote—an unprecedented achievement in a deeply Catholic country.
Katherine also discusses her groundbreaking tenure as Ireland’s Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, where she confronted the devastating legacy of mother-and-baby homes and brought her concerns directly to Pope Francis. She shares profound insights on courage, leadership, activism, and grief—including the loss of her wife and soulmate in 2017.
Her new memoir, Love in a Time of Politics, weaves together personal and political history, demonstrating how hope and determination shape social progress. (Run time: 38:04)
Takeaways:
- How personal love became a catalyst for national transformation
- What Ireland teaches us about democracy and moral courage
- Insights on leadership, advocacy, and resilience
- How grief reshaped Katherine’s public and private life
Listeners who feel inspired by Katherine’s story are encouraged to reach out, share their reflections, and continue conversations that drive LGBTQ+ equality forward.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Katherine's interview.
Episode #49: Julia Cumes
released October 31, 2025
In this episode, host Rick Koonce interviews award-winning photojournalist Julia Cumes, whose work shines a light on marginalized communities around the world. Born and raised in apartheid-era South Africa, Julia witnessed the power of images to expose truth and inspire change. Her career has been shaped by a commitment to social justice and storytelling through the lens of her camera.
Julia shares how her projects—from documenting Cape Cod’s transgender community to capturing the stories of immigrants, women in India’s Devadasi system, and Hawaii’s cowboys—help challenge stereotypes and humanize those often unseen. Her portraits not only celebrate individuality but also foster empathy and understanding in divided times.
Listeners will gain insight into how photography can serve as both art and activism—connecting people across boundaries and transforming hearts one story at a time. (Run time: 41:26)
Takeaways:
Please use the audio player below to listen to Julia's interview.
released October 31, 2025
In this episode, host Rick Koonce interviews award-winning photojournalist Julia Cumes, whose work shines a light on marginalized communities around the world. Born and raised in apartheid-era South Africa, Julia witnessed the power of images to expose truth and inspire change. Her career has been shaped by a commitment to social justice and storytelling through the lens of her camera.
Julia shares how her projects—from documenting Cape Cod’s transgender community to capturing the stories of immigrants, women in India’s Devadasi system, and Hawaii’s cowboys—help challenge stereotypes and humanize those often unseen. Her portraits not only celebrate individuality but also foster empathy and understanding in divided times.
Listeners will gain insight into how photography can serve as both art and activism—connecting people across boundaries and transforming hearts one story at a time. (Run time: 41:26)
Takeaways:
- How photography can drive social change and human connection.
- The importance of visibility for marginalized communities.
- Storytelling as a path to understanding and inclusion.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Julia's interview.
Episode #48: Jacob Stapledon
released October 3, 2025
Child abuse remains one of the most urgent and under-recognized crises facing families today. In this powerful episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce speaks with Jacob Stapledon, Community Engagement and Education Manager at Children’s Cove, a child advocacy center on Cape Cod. Together, they shed light on the staggering reality of abuse, why LGBTQ youth are disproportionately affected, and the critical role that community members can play in protecting children.
Jacob shares sobering statistics, including the fact that 90% of children are abused by someone they know, and that LGBTQ youth often face the unique challenge of “double disclosure”—revealing both their abuse and their identity. He explains how Children’s Cove provides coordinated, trauma-informed care to help children tell their stories once, rather than reliving trauma repeatedly.
Listeners will also hear practical guidance on recognizing warning signs, safeguarding children online, and taking action when something feels wrong. (Run time: 37:18)
Takeaways:
Learn more and access resources at childrenscove.org.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jacob's interview.
released October 3, 2025
Child abuse remains one of the most urgent and under-recognized crises facing families today. In this powerful episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce speaks with Jacob Stapledon, Community Engagement and Education Manager at Children’s Cove, a child advocacy center on Cape Cod. Together, they shed light on the staggering reality of abuse, why LGBTQ youth are disproportionately affected, and the critical role that community members can play in protecting children.
Jacob shares sobering statistics, including the fact that 90% of children are abused by someone they know, and that LGBTQ youth often face the unique challenge of “double disclosure”—revealing both their abuse and their identity. He explains how Children’s Cove provides coordinated, trauma-informed care to help children tell their stories once, rather than reliving trauma repeatedly.
Listeners will also hear practical guidance on recognizing warning signs, safeguarding children online, and taking action when something feels wrong. (Run time: 37:18)
Takeaways:
- LGBTQ youth face unique risks and barriers to disclosure.
- 90% of abuse comes from someone the child knows.
- Online exploitation is rising rapidly post-COVID.
- Parents and communities must stay engaged and speak up.
Learn more and access resources at childrenscove.org.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jacob's interview.
Episode #47: Bradley Forcier
released September 19, 2025
In this episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce sits down with 16-year-old activist and student Bradley Forcier, whose story is both inspiring and timely. Bradley, a rising junior at Falmouth Academy, shares how coming out at age 12 sparked his passion for advocacy, community involvement, and political engagement.
From leading in his school’s Gender and Sexuality Alliance to starting the process of launching a local chapter of the ACLU, Bradley is already creating meaningful change. He opens up about navigating high school as a young gay man, supporting transgender friends, and his vision for a more inclusive future. Bradley also talks about his deep interest in American politics, his science fair project on bias in public opinion polls, and his dream of becoming a civil rights attorney or elected official.
This episode is a powerful reminder of the resilience and optimism of LGBTQ+ youth, and the difference they are making every day. (Run time: 32:25)
Takeaways:
Tune in for an inspiring conversation with one of tomorrow’s changemakers.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Bradley's interview.
released September 19, 2025
In this episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, host Rick Koonce sits down with 16-year-old activist and student Bradley Forcier, whose story is both inspiring and timely. Bradley, a rising junior at Falmouth Academy, shares how coming out at age 12 sparked his passion for advocacy, community involvement, and political engagement.
From leading in his school’s Gender and Sexuality Alliance to starting the process of launching a local chapter of the ACLU, Bradley is already creating meaningful change. He opens up about navigating high school as a young gay man, supporting transgender friends, and his vision for a more inclusive future. Bradley also talks about his deep interest in American politics, his science fair project on bias in public opinion polls, and his dream of becoming a civil rights attorney or elected official.
This episode is a powerful reminder of the resilience and optimism of LGBTQ+ youth, and the difference they are making every day. (Run time: 32:25)
Takeaways:
- How Bradley’s activism began at a young age.
- The importance of safe, supportive school communities.
- Insights on LGBTQ+ acceptance among Gen Z.
- Why optimism matters in today’s political climate.
Tune in for an inspiring conversation with one of tomorrow’s changemakers.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Bradley's interview.
Episode #46: Julian Cyr
released September 5, 2025
In this episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, I sit down with Massachusetts State Senator Julian Cyr, who represents Cape Cod, Martha’s Vineyard, and Nantucket. Julian shares his powerful journey of growing up as a young gay man on the Outer Cape, finding his voice through activism, and ultimately stepping into leadership to serve his community.
We talk about how his early experiences shaped his commitment to public service, the lessons he learned from the AIDS epidemic, and why authenticity is a core value in both politics and personal life. Julian also opens up about the pressing issues facing Cape Cod today—including the housing crisis, climate change, and public health—and how his lived experience informs the way he leads.
This conversation is both inspiring and practical, offering wisdom for anyone navigating their own journey of courage, leadership, or advocacy. (Run time: 43:20)
Takeaways:
Please use the audio player below to listen to Julian's interview.
released September 5, 2025
In this episode of Profiles in LGBTQ+ Courage, I sit down with Massachusetts State Senator Julian Cyr, who represents Cape Cod, Martha’s Vineyard, and Nantucket. Julian shares his powerful journey of growing up as a young gay man on the Outer Cape, finding his voice through activism, and ultimately stepping into leadership to serve his community.
We talk about how his early experiences shaped his commitment to public service, the lessons he learned from the AIDS epidemic, and why authenticity is a core value in both politics and personal life. Julian also opens up about the pressing issues facing Cape Cod today—including the housing crisis, climate change, and public health—and how his lived experience informs the way he leads.
This conversation is both inspiring and practical, offering wisdom for anyone navigating their own journey of courage, leadership, or advocacy. (Run time: 43:20)
Takeaways:
- Growing up LGBTQ+ on Cape Cod shaped Julian’s values and resilience.
- The importance of authenticity in leadership and advocacy.
- Housing, climate, and public health challenges on Cape Cod today.
- Why the LGBTQ+ community must stand united—especially for trans rights.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Julian's interview.
Episode #45: Finn Allen (formerly Wanda Mae)
released August 8, 2025
Wanda Mae was a little girl raised in a household with an alcoholic mother, an abusive father, and two sisters. She never felt “at home” in her female body, even though at an early age she excelled at sports and was a stand-out school athlete. From the age of 4 or 5, Wanda Mae felt like a boy, not a girl. But in her childhood, she didn’t have a lot of time to dwell on all that. And there was nobody to talk to about her shame, discomfort, and confusion.
At home, after her father left, Wanda Mae was beaten by her mother and her boyfriend, before eventually being sent to foster care, where she was abused again. In the years that followed, Wanda Mae TRIED to find herself. She married a man, became an alcoholic, and took the occasional hit of cocaine. At times, she was suicidal. And then, she got into recovery.
Fast forward several decades to today. Today, Wanda Mae is Finn Allen, a 57-year-old transgender tax attorney for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. As he tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this raw interview, at the age of 52, Wanda Mae finally embraced her masculine identity, changed her name, began the transitioning process, and came out publicly as a trans man in 2020.
“I spent the first 50-something years of my life living someone else’s life,” he says. “Today, I’m finally feeling free to live my real life, and be my authentic self, free of shame and confusion. What a gift it is to finally realize, “I finally get to be ME!” (Run time: 34:51)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Finn's interview.
released August 8, 2025
Wanda Mae was a little girl raised in a household with an alcoholic mother, an abusive father, and two sisters. She never felt “at home” in her female body, even though at an early age she excelled at sports and was a stand-out school athlete. From the age of 4 or 5, Wanda Mae felt like a boy, not a girl. But in her childhood, she didn’t have a lot of time to dwell on all that. And there was nobody to talk to about her shame, discomfort, and confusion.
At home, after her father left, Wanda Mae was beaten by her mother and her boyfriend, before eventually being sent to foster care, where she was abused again. In the years that followed, Wanda Mae TRIED to find herself. She married a man, became an alcoholic, and took the occasional hit of cocaine. At times, she was suicidal. And then, she got into recovery.
Fast forward several decades to today. Today, Wanda Mae is Finn Allen, a 57-year-old transgender tax attorney for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. As he tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this raw interview, at the age of 52, Wanda Mae finally embraced her masculine identity, changed her name, began the transitioning process, and came out publicly as a trans man in 2020.
“I spent the first 50-something years of my life living someone else’s life,” he says. “Today, I’m finally feeling free to live my real life, and be my authentic self, free of shame and confusion. What a gift it is to finally realize, “I finally get to be ME!” (Run time: 34:51)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Finn's interview.
Episode #44: Joan & Rick Francolini
released July 25, 2025
Joan and Rick Francolini are the parents of a bisexual daughter, Rene, who’s about to marry a transgender man. They’re also committed social justice advocates who recently organized the first-ever Lower Cape Pride celebration on Cape Cod.
Dubbed, “Unity in Community,” the three-day event, a multi-generational celebration of LGBTQ+ pride, drew hundreds of people to the towns of Orleans and Brewster, Massachusetts in June 2025. Activities included a parade, an LGBTQ+ community resource fair, musical performances, and an exhibit about the history of drag. Also featured was a panel discussion on how the LGBTQ+ community can effectively combat the homophobia and transphobia, being fostered today, by many conservative political leaders and media influencers.
As Joan and Rick tell PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this interview, the couple got the idea for the event after seeing the transformative impact of small-town Pride celebrations in Maine, where their daughter and her fiancé live. They noticed that those events brought visibility, joy, and solidarity to the queer community there. As committed LGBTQ+ allies, Joan and Rick soon realized that Lower Cape Cod needed a Pride event of its OWN, separate from traditional pride activities staged each year in Provincetown.
Planning Lower Cape Pride quickly became a labor of love for both Joan and Rick, who tapped many elements of their local community to support the event. Over the course of several months, they brought together neighbors, LGBTQ+ volunteers, local businesspeople, political and civic leaders, artists, musicians, and others to make Lower Cape Pride a crowd-pleasing event -- far exceeding what either Joan or Rick had initially anticipated. (Run time: 32:24)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joan and Rick's interview.
released July 25, 2025
Joan and Rick Francolini are the parents of a bisexual daughter, Rene, who’s about to marry a transgender man. They’re also committed social justice advocates who recently organized the first-ever Lower Cape Pride celebration on Cape Cod.
Dubbed, “Unity in Community,” the three-day event, a multi-generational celebration of LGBTQ+ pride, drew hundreds of people to the towns of Orleans and Brewster, Massachusetts in June 2025. Activities included a parade, an LGBTQ+ community resource fair, musical performances, and an exhibit about the history of drag. Also featured was a panel discussion on how the LGBTQ+ community can effectively combat the homophobia and transphobia, being fostered today, by many conservative political leaders and media influencers.
As Joan and Rick tell PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this interview, the couple got the idea for the event after seeing the transformative impact of small-town Pride celebrations in Maine, where their daughter and her fiancé live. They noticed that those events brought visibility, joy, and solidarity to the queer community there. As committed LGBTQ+ allies, Joan and Rick soon realized that Lower Cape Cod needed a Pride event of its OWN, separate from traditional pride activities staged each year in Provincetown.
Planning Lower Cape Pride quickly became a labor of love for both Joan and Rick, who tapped many elements of their local community to support the event. Over the course of several months, they brought together neighbors, LGBTQ+ volunteers, local businesspeople, political and civic leaders, artists, musicians, and others to make Lower Cape Pride a crowd-pleasing event -- far exceeding what either Joan or Rick had initially anticipated. (Run time: 32:24)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joan and Rick's interview.
Episode #43: Roger Smith
released July 11, 2025
The Trump Administration’s explicit animus toward transgender people is a well-documented and very public fact. Starting in his first term and now in his second, President Trump and his Administration have carried out a systematic, years-long effort to roll back protections for LGBTQ+ people.
Beginning in January 2025, the Administration issued a series of executive orders specifically targeted at trans people. Trump’s directives include targeting transgender students, banning trans Americans from military service, and giving federal agencies the go ahead to overtly discriminate against their trans employees. While the Administration’s discrimination against transgender people is taking many forms, and fostering fear in people who identify as trans, it’s also impacting the friends and families of those who identify as transgender.
Roger Smith is a novelist and retired history teacher who lives in Brewster, Massachusetts. He’s also the father of a transgender son, Alex, whom he loves dearly. In this poignant interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Rog describes the fear -- and outrage -- he feels at how the U.S. government is singling out and discriminating against transgender people today.
But, discrimination against people who don’t fit certain social, ethnic, cultural, and sexual categories has a long, long history in America, says this former history teacher. Sadly and historically, Smith says, the “othering” of people seen as being on the margins of society is part of our nation’s DNA. (Run time: 26:10)
And be sure to check out this video interview with Roger and Susan, and their trans son, Alex, from September 2025.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Roger's interview.
released July 11, 2025
The Trump Administration’s explicit animus toward transgender people is a well-documented and very public fact. Starting in his first term and now in his second, President Trump and his Administration have carried out a systematic, years-long effort to roll back protections for LGBTQ+ people.
Beginning in January 2025, the Administration issued a series of executive orders specifically targeted at trans people. Trump’s directives include targeting transgender students, banning trans Americans from military service, and giving federal agencies the go ahead to overtly discriminate against their trans employees. While the Administration’s discrimination against transgender people is taking many forms, and fostering fear in people who identify as trans, it’s also impacting the friends and families of those who identify as transgender.
Roger Smith is a novelist and retired history teacher who lives in Brewster, Massachusetts. He’s also the father of a transgender son, Alex, whom he loves dearly. In this poignant interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Rog describes the fear -- and outrage -- he feels at how the U.S. government is singling out and discriminating against transgender people today.
But, discrimination against people who don’t fit certain social, ethnic, cultural, and sexual categories has a long, long history in America, says this former history teacher. Sadly and historically, Smith says, the “othering” of people seen as being on the margins of society is part of our nation’s DNA. (Run time: 26:10)
And be sure to check out this video interview with Roger and Susan, and their trans son, Alex, from September 2025.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Roger's interview.
Episode #42: Susanne Bennett
released June 20, 2025
Susanne Bennett describes herself as a white, queer, cis-gender, able-bodied, and educated elder woman. At 78, this former college professor and retired clinical social worker also describes herself as a questioner, a doubter, and someone who’s always sought to better understand herself as a sexual and spiritual person.
These are just a few of the topics Susanne explores in a new memoir, Evolving: Faith, Sexuality and Aging. The book chronicles a life that’s been full of unexpected twists and turns, moments of doubt and uncertainty, followed by hard-won personal clarity --- about the interrelationship of sexuality, spirituality, and the aging process.
Growing up in the south, the daughter of a Southern Baptist minister, Susanne considered herself straight and religiously conservative for many years. She married a man, became a mother to two children, and settled down to married life. But then her husband announced he was gay, and her daughter came out as a lesbian at 17. All this rocked Susanne’s world. And prompted her to ask a lot of questions; to become curious about herself and her faith, and to embark on a path of learning and self-discovery that changed her life forever. Today, Susanne’s happily married to her wife, Cay and lives in Brewster, MA. She’s also a grandmother with three grandkids who identify as trans or non-binary.
In this thoughtful interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Susanne opens up – about faith, family, her unique life journey, and her fluid sexuality. She talks too about her life today on Cape Cod, as a member of St. Mary’s Episcopal Church in Barnstable, MA. And, about how her religious faith has evolved, just as her understanding of her sexuality has evolved over more than seven decades of living. (Run time: 35:49)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Susanne's interview.
released June 20, 2025
Susanne Bennett describes herself as a white, queer, cis-gender, able-bodied, and educated elder woman. At 78, this former college professor and retired clinical social worker also describes herself as a questioner, a doubter, and someone who’s always sought to better understand herself as a sexual and spiritual person.
These are just a few of the topics Susanne explores in a new memoir, Evolving: Faith, Sexuality and Aging. The book chronicles a life that’s been full of unexpected twists and turns, moments of doubt and uncertainty, followed by hard-won personal clarity --- about the interrelationship of sexuality, spirituality, and the aging process.
Growing up in the south, the daughter of a Southern Baptist minister, Susanne considered herself straight and religiously conservative for many years. She married a man, became a mother to two children, and settled down to married life. But then her husband announced he was gay, and her daughter came out as a lesbian at 17. All this rocked Susanne’s world. And prompted her to ask a lot of questions; to become curious about herself and her faith, and to embark on a path of learning and self-discovery that changed her life forever. Today, Susanne’s happily married to her wife, Cay and lives in Brewster, MA. She’s also a grandmother with three grandkids who identify as trans or non-binary.
In this thoughtful interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Susanne opens up – about faith, family, her unique life journey, and her fluid sexuality. She talks too about her life today on Cape Cod, as a member of St. Mary’s Episcopal Church in Barnstable, MA. And, about how her religious faith has evolved, just as her understanding of her sexuality has evolved over more than seven decades of living. (Run time: 35:49)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Susanne's interview.
Episode #41: Lindsey Straus
released May 23, 2025
Lindsey Straus is a 73-year-old trans woman who’s also the biological father of three sons – triplets who are now in their early 40s. As you’ll hear in this interview, the story of Lindsey’s transition, from
husband, devoted dad, and little league coach to trans woman, social activist, and lay minister at her church in Brewster, Massachusetts is truly inspiring and courageous.
But that transitional journey did not come easily or without pain. After more than 20 years of heterosexual marriage, Lindsey decided to transition and become a woman at the age of 50 in 2001. Years of separation and estrangement from her family then followed. Lindsey moved out of the house, while remaining the family’s sole breadwinner. But, she was excluded from significant family events, including vacations and graduations.
All that said, as she tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this interview, eventually reconciliation with her family did take place. Even with Lindsey’s ex-wife, with whom she now talks almost every day.
As for her three sons? Surprisingly, a common love of the Boston Red Sox by both Lindsey and her grown sons helped heal family wounds and bring Lindsey and her boys back into each other’s lives. Lindsey even remembers the exact day: October 18th, 2004.
It was the day after Game 4 of the American League Championship series, when the Red Sox scored a big comeback against the New York Yankees. (Run time: 26:28)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lindsey's interview.
released May 23, 2025
Lindsey Straus is a 73-year-old trans woman who’s also the biological father of three sons – triplets who are now in their early 40s. As you’ll hear in this interview, the story of Lindsey’s transition, from
husband, devoted dad, and little league coach to trans woman, social activist, and lay minister at her church in Brewster, Massachusetts is truly inspiring and courageous.
But that transitional journey did not come easily or without pain. After more than 20 years of heterosexual marriage, Lindsey decided to transition and become a woman at the age of 50 in 2001. Years of separation and estrangement from her family then followed. Lindsey moved out of the house, while remaining the family’s sole breadwinner. But, she was excluded from significant family events, including vacations and graduations.
All that said, as she tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this interview, eventually reconciliation with her family did take place. Even with Lindsey’s ex-wife, with whom she now talks almost every day.
As for her three sons? Surprisingly, a common love of the Boston Red Sox by both Lindsey and her grown sons helped heal family wounds and bring Lindsey and her boys back into each other’s lives. Lindsey even remembers the exact day: October 18th, 2004.
It was the day after Game 4 of the American League Championship series, when the Red Sox scored a big comeback against the New York Yankees. (Run time: 26:28)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lindsey's interview.
Episode #40: Linda & Gloria Bailey-Davies
released November 15, 2024
In the prolonged and often contentious battle for marriage equality in the United States, it can truly be said that Gloria and Linda Bailey-Davies are pioneers.
Together now for over 50 years, the happily married Cape Cod couple, both former therapists, were among the seven couples who were litigants in the Massachusetts same-sex marriage case (Goodrich vs Department of Public Health) that led to the landmark legalization of same-sex marriage in the Bay State in 2004. Victory in that case helped create momentum for the eventual legalization of same-sex marriage throughout the U.S. in June of 2015.
In this moving and wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, recorded just before the 2024 presidential election, Linda and Gloria, who never imagined they’d become social activists, describe how they got involved as key players in one of the most important social movements of the last 50 years.
On a personal level, they also describe how they found each other, the role ping-pong played in their early relationship, what their journey toward committing themselves to one another has been like, and what they see as the secrets to anyone forming and sustaining a healthy and loving long-term relationship. (Run time: 47:45)
In addition to their podcast interview, you can also watch a video interview with Linda and Gloria titled Taking It From Here: Linda and Gloria Bailey-Davies, which was recorded prior to the first-ever Lower Cape Pride parade in June 2025, and in which they were Grand Marshals!
Please use the audio player below to listen to Linda and Gloria's interview.
released November 15, 2024
In the prolonged and often contentious battle for marriage equality in the United States, it can truly be said that Gloria and Linda Bailey-Davies are pioneers.
Together now for over 50 years, the happily married Cape Cod couple, both former therapists, were among the seven couples who were litigants in the Massachusetts same-sex marriage case (Goodrich vs Department of Public Health) that led to the landmark legalization of same-sex marriage in the Bay State in 2004. Victory in that case helped create momentum for the eventual legalization of same-sex marriage throughout the U.S. in June of 2015.
In this moving and wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, recorded just before the 2024 presidential election, Linda and Gloria, who never imagined they’d become social activists, describe how they got involved as key players in one of the most important social movements of the last 50 years.
On a personal level, they also describe how they found each other, the role ping-pong played in their early relationship, what their journey toward committing themselves to one another has been like, and what they see as the secrets to anyone forming and sustaining a healthy and loving long-term relationship. (Run time: 47:45)
In addition to their podcast interview, you can also watch a video interview with Linda and Gloria titled Taking It From Here: Linda and Gloria Bailey-Davies, which was recorded prior to the first-ever Lower Cape Pride parade in June 2025, and in which they were Grand Marshals!
Please use the audio player below to listen to Linda and Gloria's interview.
Episode #39: Sarah Messeck & Avery Condon
released August 2, 2024
Sarah Messeck and Avery Condon are a young couple very much in love. The two met at a Cape Cod Pride event in June 2022 and soon afterwards began dating. Eventually they plan to marry.
Sarah, an animal welfare advocate and horse riding enthusiast, identifies as a cisgender woman and uses the pronouns she and her. In the past, she had relationships with people of different genders.
Avery, who’s passionate about environmental and social justice issues, and was previously married to a woman, today identifies as transgender and non-binary and uses they and them pronouns.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Sarah and Avery talk in depth about their relationship – how they met, and the basis of their attraction to one another on many levels. They offer illuminating insights into how the dynamics of physical and emotional attraction, gender identity, and gender presentation operate for them in the context of a non-traditional relationship.
But that relationship is traditional in at least once sense, as the two plan to tie the marriage knot - most likely in the fall of 2025 - with both their families and friends lovingly looking on. (Run time: 41:31)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Sarah and Avery's interview.
released August 2, 2024
Sarah Messeck and Avery Condon are a young couple very much in love. The two met at a Cape Cod Pride event in June 2022 and soon afterwards began dating. Eventually they plan to marry.
Sarah, an animal welfare advocate and horse riding enthusiast, identifies as a cisgender woman and uses the pronouns she and her. In the past, she had relationships with people of different genders.
Avery, who’s passionate about environmental and social justice issues, and was previously married to a woman, today identifies as transgender and non-binary and uses they and them pronouns.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Sarah and Avery talk in depth about their relationship – how they met, and the basis of their attraction to one another on many levels. They offer illuminating insights into how the dynamics of physical and emotional attraction, gender identity, and gender presentation operate for them in the context of a non-traditional relationship.
But that relationship is traditional in at least once sense, as the two plan to tie the marriage knot - most likely in the fall of 2025 - with both their families and friends lovingly looking on. (Run time: 41:31)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Sarah and Avery's interview.
Episode #38: Jane Fleishman
released May 10, 2024
Dr. Jane Fleishman is an accomplished sexuality educator, writer, program developer, and researcher. In 2016, at the age of 62, she received her doctorate in Human Sexuality from the Widener University Center for Human Sexuality Studies after a successful career as a consultant for a large public mental health system.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Fleishman, author of The Stonewall Generation, delves deeply into the challenges LGBTQ+ seniors face as they navigate the passages of advancing age, and must deal with issues of health and wellness, self-esteem, companionship and intimacy, and continued sexual vitality and identity.
Fleishman has long believed that it’s important for members of the LGBTQ+ community to re-imagine their ideas about sexual vitality, beauty, and desirability, and to reject old but enduring myths about sexuality and aging.
“Wrinkles and gray hair are as beautiful as a face without wrinkles,” she says, adding, “I’m on a campaign to invite people to love their aging queer bodies and to upend the narrative that the only kind of beauty is associated with youth.” That, she says, is a binary way of looking at the world that doesn’t serve you, me or anybody else in the LGBTQ+ community.” (Run time: 38:09)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jane's interview.
released May 10, 2024
Dr. Jane Fleishman is an accomplished sexuality educator, writer, program developer, and researcher. In 2016, at the age of 62, she received her doctorate in Human Sexuality from the Widener University Center for Human Sexuality Studies after a successful career as a consultant for a large public mental health system.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Fleishman, author of The Stonewall Generation, delves deeply into the challenges LGBTQ+ seniors face as they navigate the passages of advancing age, and must deal with issues of health and wellness, self-esteem, companionship and intimacy, and continued sexual vitality and identity.
Fleishman has long believed that it’s important for members of the LGBTQ+ community to re-imagine their ideas about sexual vitality, beauty, and desirability, and to reject old but enduring myths about sexuality and aging.
“Wrinkles and gray hair are as beautiful as a face without wrinkles,” she says, adding, “I’m on a campaign to invite people to love their aging queer bodies and to upend the narrative that the only kind of beauty is associated with youth.” That, she says, is a binary way of looking at the world that doesn’t serve you, me or anybody else in the LGBTQ+ community.” (Run time: 38:09)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jane's interview.
Episode #37: Brett Smiley
released April 12, 2024
Brett Smiley is the married, gay mayor of Providence, Rhode Island. Elected to office in 2022 on his second try for the job, Smiley got his start in Rhode Island politics years before, serving as Chief Operating Officer for Providence and as Rhode Island’s Director of Administration, as well as Chief of Staff to former Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo.
In this revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Brett talks about coming out as a gay man, and about being a political science and public policy nerd, even as a teenager, who developed an early passion for politics. He talks too about the mark he hopes to make on Providence as mayor, and about the high school teacher and coach who helped him believe in himself.
Finally, he talks about being an uncle to his nephews, his love of running, his recovery from alcoholism in his early 20’s, and about meeting his husband, Jim, a prominent real estate agent in Rhode Island, and now the city’s first First Gentleman. (Run time: 35:35)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Brett's interview.
released April 12, 2024
Brett Smiley is the married, gay mayor of Providence, Rhode Island. Elected to office in 2022 on his second try for the job, Smiley got his start in Rhode Island politics years before, serving as Chief Operating Officer for Providence and as Rhode Island’s Director of Administration, as well as Chief of Staff to former Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo.
In this revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Brett talks about coming out as a gay man, and about being a political science and public policy nerd, even as a teenager, who developed an early passion for politics. He talks too about the mark he hopes to make on Providence as mayor, and about the high school teacher and coach who helped him believe in himself.
Finally, he talks about being an uncle to his nephews, his love of running, his recovery from alcoholism in his early 20’s, and about meeting his husband, Jim, a prominent real estate agent in Rhode Island, and now the city’s first First Gentleman. (Run time: 35:35)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Brett's interview.
Episode #36: Rick Miller
released March 22, 2024
Rick Miller is a psychotherapist who works extensively with gay men. Gay himself, he’s pioneered the use of mind/body experiential therapy to assist gay men and other members of the LGBTQ+ community in dealing with early life trauma. Through doing such work, Rick has helped many in the LGBTQ+ community discover inner strength, build personal resilience, enhance their self-esteem, and build strong and healthy relationships with others.
In this thought-provoking interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Rick talks about where his motivation to do this work comes from, about the challenges many gay men still face in today's world, and how personal therapy can help anyone overcome pain and find happiness and personal agency in the process. (Run time: 37:08)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Rick's interview.
released March 22, 2024
Rick Miller is a psychotherapist who works extensively with gay men. Gay himself, he’s pioneered the use of mind/body experiential therapy to assist gay men and other members of the LGBTQ+ community in dealing with early life trauma. Through doing such work, Rick has helped many in the LGBTQ+ community discover inner strength, build personal resilience, enhance their self-esteem, and build strong and healthy relationships with others.
In this thought-provoking interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Rick talks about where his motivation to do this work comes from, about the challenges many gay men still face in today's world, and how personal therapy can help anyone overcome pain and find happiness and personal agency in the process. (Run time: 37:08)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Rick's interview.
Episode #35: Mara Betti
released August 18, 2023
Mara Betti is a successful, 50-something architect, who works for one of the leading architectural firms in Boston. She’s also a trans woman and biological father of two sons, ages 18 and 22.
In this deeply personal interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Mara talks emotionally about coming out and accepting herself as trans; a journey that has taken her decades, and which has put tremendous strain on her heterosexual marriage to her wife – whom she met in college and still describes as “my best friend.”
Mara talks about the dark times she’s lived through and the steps she’s now taking, with the help of a therapist, to build a new identity, and to navigate a personal and social world she never imagined she’d be encountering at this stage of her life. And finally, she talks lovingly about her relationships with her two boys, with whom she wants to remain close, though she understands that this will take time, patience, and love on everyone’s parts. Especially, as her boys focus on discovering their own identities as young adults.
As this intimate interview reveals, Mara, like other transgender people struggling to be themselves, displays tremendous resolve and resilience; qualities that indeed make her a compelling profile in LGBTQ+ courage. (Run time: 40:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Mara's interview.
released August 18, 2023
Mara Betti is a successful, 50-something architect, who works for one of the leading architectural firms in Boston. She’s also a trans woman and biological father of two sons, ages 18 and 22.
In this deeply personal interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Mara talks emotionally about coming out and accepting herself as trans; a journey that has taken her decades, and which has put tremendous strain on her heterosexual marriage to her wife – whom she met in college and still describes as “my best friend.”
Mara talks about the dark times she’s lived through and the steps she’s now taking, with the help of a therapist, to build a new identity, and to navigate a personal and social world she never imagined she’d be encountering at this stage of her life. And finally, she talks lovingly about her relationships with her two boys, with whom she wants to remain close, though she understands that this will take time, patience, and love on everyone’s parts. Especially, as her boys focus on discovering their own identities as young adults.
As this intimate interview reveals, Mara, like other transgender people struggling to be themselves, displays tremendous resolve and resilience; qualities that indeed make her a compelling profile in LGBTQ+ courage. (Run time: 40:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Mara's interview.
Episode #34: Jake Wanamaker
released August 4, 2023
Assigned female at birth, Jake Wanamaker is a 2023 graduate of Nauset High School on Cape Cod who today identifies as a Transman. For Jake, the awareness that he was born into a body of the wrong-gender for him came early, when he was only a few years old. But he didn’t have the knowledge or vocabulary with which to understand the feelings and emotions deep within him.
So, he went online, at an early age, to learn more about the Transgender world and later found help from both a sensitive guidance counselor and a gifted therapist – who helped him better understand and claim his true gender identity.
In this intimate and revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, which took place just weeks before his scheduled top surgery in July of 2023, Jake talks about the struggles he endured as a child and adolescent, trying to come to terms with who he is.
He reveals the challenges he faced coming out to his parents, and how, with the help of friends, supportive and caring teachers, and healthcare professionals, he began to fully embrace his gender identity.
Jake also talks about the enthusiasm he feels today for the future…..his excitement about attending college in the fall… and his desire to pursue a career as a scientific illustrator, combining his deep interests in both art and nature. (Run time: 39:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jake's interview.
released August 4, 2023
Assigned female at birth, Jake Wanamaker is a 2023 graduate of Nauset High School on Cape Cod who today identifies as a Transman. For Jake, the awareness that he was born into a body of the wrong-gender for him came early, when he was only a few years old. But he didn’t have the knowledge or vocabulary with which to understand the feelings and emotions deep within him.
So, he went online, at an early age, to learn more about the Transgender world and later found help from both a sensitive guidance counselor and a gifted therapist – who helped him better understand and claim his true gender identity.
In this intimate and revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, which took place just weeks before his scheduled top surgery in July of 2023, Jake talks about the struggles he endured as a child and adolescent, trying to come to terms with who he is.
He reveals the challenges he faced coming out to his parents, and how, with the help of friends, supportive and caring teachers, and healthcare professionals, he began to fully embrace his gender identity.
Jake also talks about the enthusiasm he feels today for the future…..his excitement about attending college in the fall… and his desire to pursue a career as a scientific illustrator, combining his deep interests in both art and nature. (Run time: 39:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jake's interview.
Episode #33: Ann Burke
released June 30, 2023
Ann Burke is a registered nurse, counselor, and long-time advocate for Transgender people who live on Cape Cod, Nantucket, and Martha’s Vineyard.
She serves as a board member of the Cape and Islands Transgender Resource Fund, and also acts as a facilitator of Transgender social support meetings, held twice monthly on the Cape, under the auspices of Fenway Health in Boston.
In this insightful interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Ann, who is NOT Transgender herself, explains why she took on a role as a committed advocate for Transgender people. And, she shines a critical spotlight on the many challenges Transgender people face – be it in navigating the legal and healthcare systems of Massachusetts, or dealing with discrimination in housing and employment.
“When a Transgender person comes out, they often lose their entire support system”, says Ann. “This often includes a person’s family, partner, friends, neighbors, and job,” she says.
Despite that, Ann says, “I have found Transgender people to be incredibly resilient” in navigating legal, financial, and healthcare obstacles as well a world that is often hostile, intolerant, and ignorant about who they REALLY are. (Run time: 37:17)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Ann's interview.
released June 30, 2023
Ann Burke is a registered nurse, counselor, and long-time advocate for Transgender people who live on Cape Cod, Nantucket, and Martha’s Vineyard.
She serves as a board member of the Cape and Islands Transgender Resource Fund, and also acts as a facilitator of Transgender social support meetings, held twice monthly on the Cape, under the auspices of Fenway Health in Boston.
In this insightful interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Ann, who is NOT Transgender herself, explains why she took on a role as a committed advocate for Transgender people. And, she shines a critical spotlight on the many challenges Transgender people face – be it in navigating the legal and healthcare systems of Massachusetts, or dealing with discrimination in housing and employment.
“When a Transgender person comes out, they often lose their entire support system”, says Ann. “This often includes a person’s family, partner, friends, neighbors, and job,” she says.
Despite that, Ann says, “I have found Transgender people to be incredibly resilient” in navigating legal, financial, and healthcare obstacles as well a world that is often hostile, intolerant, and ignorant about who they REALLY are. (Run time: 37:17)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Ann's interview.
Episode #32: Rikki Bates
released June 16, 2023
Rikki Bates is a rock and roll drummer who has struggled for much of her life with gender dysphoria.
For years, like many Transgender people, she lived in a state of confusion and depression. Then, she managed to get gender affirming surgery which changed her life. In the process, she brought about precedent-settings changes in how Transgender healthcare is provided to people in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Rikki describes the bullying and psychological confusion she experienced as a child and adolescent, her struggles with depression as she entered adulthood, and the turn-around in her life that began to occur following multiple gender-affirming surgeries and intense personal therapy.
She also reveals the fascinating, step-by-step process of gender affirming surgery itself, the challenges of dating as a bisexual Transwoman, and her advice to others who think they may be Transgender. (Run time: 42:06)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Rikki's interview.
released June 16, 2023
Rikki Bates is a rock and roll drummer who has struggled for much of her life with gender dysphoria.
For years, like many Transgender people, she lived in a state of confusion and depression. Then, she managed to get gender affirming surgery which changed her life. In the process, she brought about precedent-settings changes in how Transgender healthcare is provided to people in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Rikki describes the bullying and psychological confusion she experienced as a child and adolescent, her struggles with depression as she entered adulthood, and the turn-around in her life that began to occur following multiple gender-affirming surgeries and intense personal therapy.
She also reveals the fascinating, step-by-step process of gender affirming surgery itself, the challenges of dating as a bisexual Transwoman, and her advice to others who think they may be Transgender. (Run time: 42:06)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Rikki's interview.
Episode #31: Zooey Zephyr
released June 2, 2023
Courageous leadership is often defined by four compelling traits: Confidence in oneself, commitment to one’s values and beliefs, the ability to persist, and a warrior spirit!
By those metrics, Transgender activist and first-time state legislator Zooey Zephyr is a rare leader with few peers in the social justice arena.
The first-ever Transgender member of the Montana state legislature, Zooey, a newcomer to politics in 2022, made national and international headlines in April 2023 when she stood in opposition to Montana state legislation that would prohibit gender-affirming healthcare for Transgender youth.
Her statements in support of Transgender people caused her to be banished from the statehouse floor, denied the opportunity to debate, and forced to operate, as a duly elected representative of her state, from a public bench in a hallway of the Montana statehouse.
In this moving interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Representative Zephyr talks about the furor her presence caused on the statehouse floor, the passion she brings to her advocacy of transgender people, and how her experience as a champion high school wrestler helped prepare her for the nasty rough and tumble world of partisan politics. (Run time: 41:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Zooey's interview.
released June 2, 2023
Courageous leadership is often defined by four compelling traits: Confidence in oneself, commitment to one’s values and beliefs, the ability to persist, and a warrior spirit!
By those metrics, Transgender activist and first-time state legislator Zooey Zephyr is a rare leader with few peers in the social justice arena.
The first-ever Transgender member of the Montana state legislature, Zooey, a newcomer to politics in 2022, made national and international headlines in April 2023 when she stood in opposition to Montana state legislation that would prohibit gender-affirming healthcare for Transgender youth.
Her statements in support of Transgender people caused her to be banished from the statehouse floor, denied the opportunity to debate, and forced to operate, as a duly elected representative of her state, from a public bench in a hallway of the Montana statehouse.
In this moving interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Representative Zephyr talks about the furor her presence caused on the statehouse floor, the passion she brings to her advocacy of transgender people, and how her experience as a champion high school wrestler helped prepare her for the nasty rough and tumble world of partisan politics. (Run time: 41:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Zooey's interview.
Episode #30: Felice Cohen
released October 7, 2022
At the age of 23, Felice Cohen was, like many other college graduates, hesitant about entering the real world, and at the same time, uncertain about her sexuality.
Focused on landing her first job as a writer, falling in love was the last thing on Felice’s mind. But fall in love she did -- with her boss, Sarah, a woman 34 years older than she.
It was a relationship that lasted 9 years. And for Felice, it was the first taste of true love and deep intimacy. But the affair took place in secrecy and ultimately ended in heartbreak.
Now, Felice has written a book about her experience called Half In: A Coming of Age Memoir of Forbidden Love. When it was released in late September, Felice’s book raced to the top of Amazon’s best seller lists in six categories.
As Felice tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this moving interview, writing this memoir proved a therapeutic experience that helped Felice to mend her hurting heart, and bring her deep love for Sarah out of the closet for the first time. (Run time: 30:40)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Felice's interview. (Audio will be available on Friday, October 7th.)
released October 7, 2022
At the age of 23, Felice Cohen was, like many other college graduates, hesitant about entering the real world, and at the same time, uncertain about her sexuality.
Focused on landing her first job as a writer, falling in love was the last thing on Felice’s mind. But fall in love she did -- with her boss, Sarah, a woman 34 years older than she.
It was a relationship that lasted 9 years. And for Felice, it was the first taste of true love and deep intimacy. But the affair took place in secrecy and ultimately ended in heartbreak.
Now, Felice has written a book about her experience called Half In: A Coming of Age Memoir of Forbidden Love. When it was released in late September, Felice’s book raced to the top of Amazon’s best seller lists in six categories.
As Felice tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this moving interview, writing this memoir proved a therapeutic experience that helped Felice to mend her hurting heart, and bring her deep love for Sarah out of the closet for the first time. (Run time: 30:40)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Felice's interview. (Audio will be available on Friday, October 7th.)
Episode #29: Jere Mahaffey
released September 2, 2022
Jere Mahaffey is a 35-year-old former Evangelical Christian. He’s also an out, married gay/ bisexual man who has retained many of the tenets of his early Christian faith, while leaving other elements of evangelical doctrine behind him.
As an adolescent, Jere was drawn initially to girls, and even had girlfriends while he was in junior high school. But eventually he discovered he found boys attractive as well.
Today, he and his partner, Jesse, have been together for nine years and married for four.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Jere talks about growing up in an Evangelical Christian household, about his love of God, his journey toward embracing his bisexual identity, and about being both Queer and Christian. (Run time: 39:20)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jere's interview.
released September 2, 2022
Jere Mahaffey is a 35-year-old former Evangelical Christian. He’s also an out, married gay/ bisexual man who has retained many of the tenets of his early Christian faith, while leaving other elements of evangelical doctrine behind him.
As an adolescent, Jere was drawn initially to girls, and even had girlfriends while he was in junior high school. But eventually he discovered he found boys attractive as well.
Today, he and his partner, Jesse, have been together for nine years and married for four.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Jere talks about growing up in an Evangelical Christian household, about his love of God, his journey toward embracing his bisexual identity, and about being both Queer and Christian. (Run time: 39:20)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jere's interview.
Episode #28: Connor Ryan
released August 19, 2022
Connor Ryan is an 18-year-old transgender male and 2022 graduate of Bourne High School in Bourne, Massachusetts. He’s also one of three recipients of the 2022 Anne Toran scholarship, an award given annually by PFLAG Cape Cod to high school seniors from the Cape and Islands in recognition of their courage and work on behalf of LGBTQ+ rights.
In this insightful interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Connor talks about the time during his high school career when he boldly confronted a school committee member at a school board meeting about her transphobic remarks on social media.
He also talks about his gender identity “journey of discovery” that has taken him, in his words, from “one end of the LGBTQ+ spectrum to the other.” Assigned female at birth, Connor thought, at one point in his life that he was a “demi-girl” – somewhat like a girl, but not entirely. He later determined he felt more like a “demi-boy” who identifies mostly with things masculine.
As he prepares now to go off to college, Connor describes himself as a trans man and says he’s focused these days on keeping a sense of humor about his gender identity, and learning to be his own best friend in the process! (Run time: 25:51)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Connor's interview.
released August 19, 2022
Connor Ryan is an 18-year-old transgender male and 2022 graduate of Bourne High School in Bourne, Massachusetts. He’s also one of three recipients of the 2022 Anne Toran scholarship, an award given annually by PFLAG Cape Cod to high school seniors from the Cape and Islands in recognition of their courage and work on behalf of LGBTQ+ rights.
In this insightful interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Connor talks about the time during his high school career when he boldly confronted a school committee member at a school board meeting about her transphobic remarks on social media.
He also talks about his gender identity “journey of discovery” that has taken him, in his words, from “one end of the LGBTQ+ spectrum to the other.” Assigned female at birth, Connor thought, at one point in his life that he was a “demi-girl” – somewhat like a girl, but not entirely. He later determined he felt more like a “demi-boy” who identifies mostly with things masculine.
As he prepares now to go off to college, Connor describes himself as a trans man and says he’s focused these days on keeping a sense of humor about his gender identity, and learning to be his own best friend in the process! (Run time: 25:51)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Connor's interview.
Episode #27: Lilith Rose
released June 24, 2022
Lilith Rose is a twenty-something individual who identifies as transgender and non-binary. At the time of this interview, they had also just been named executive director of PFLAG San Francisco.
Lilith grew up in what she describes as a toxic home environment. Born anatomically male, they first came out as gay before eventually discovering they are transgender.
Today, Lilith is committed to educating others about the LGBTQ+ world. A professional speaker and blogger, they speak frequently on topics of social justice and teenage mental illness before audiences of educators, students, faith leaders, and others.
In this wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Lilith talks about their own struggles with mental illness; with anxiety, ADHD, and depression. And all that came before confronting their challenges with sexual orientation and gender identity!
Lilith also talks about the challenges of coming out to friends and family as a transgender person…. developing healthy self-esteem and self-acceptance, and living and dating as a transgender person in what is still largely a sexually binary world, even in San Francisco.(Run time: 41:55)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lilith's interview.
released June 24, 2022
Lilith Rose is a twenty-something individual who identifies as transgender and non-binary. At the time of this interview, they had also just been named executive director of PFLAG San Francisco.
Lilith grew up in what she describes as a toxic home environment. Born anatomically male, they first came out as gay before eventually discovering they are transgender.
Today, Lilith is committed to educating others about the LGBTQ+ world. A professional speaker and blogger, they speak frequently on topics of social justice and teenage mental illness before audiences of educators, students, faith leaders, and others.
In this wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Lilith talks about their own struggles with mental illness; with anxiety, ADHD, and depression. And all that came before confronting their challenges with sexual orientation and gender identity!
Lilith also talks about the challenges of coming out to friends and family as a transgender person…. developing healthy self-esteem and self-acceptance, and living and dating as a transgender person in what is still largely a sexually binary world, even in San Francisco.(Run time: 41:55)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lilith's interview.
Episode #26: Jeff Mack
released May 13, 2022
In October 1998, Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old student at the University of Wyoming, was brutally attacked and tied to a fence outside of Laramie, Wyoming. Five days later he died of deep wounds inflicted in one of the most vicious anti-gay attacks in American history.
In this wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Jeff Mack, a personal friend of Matt’s and today the Executive Vice President of the Matthew Shepard Foundation, talks movingly about Matt, his life, and the Foundation started by his parents, Judy and Dennis Shepard, just months after Matt’s gruesome death. (Run time: 36:07)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jeff's interview.
released May 13, 2022
In October 1998, Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old student at the University of Wyoming, was brutally attacked and tied to a fence outside of Laramie, Wyoming. Five days later he died of deep wounds inflicted in one of the most vicious anti-gay attacks in American history.
In this wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Jeff Mack, a personal friend of Matt’s and today the Executive Vice President of the Matthew Shepard Foundation, talks movingly about Matt, his life, and the Foundation started by his parents, Judy and Dennis Shepard, just months after Matt’s gruesome death. (Run time: 36:07)
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Episode #25: Alex Hagler
released April 22, 2022
Alex Hagler is a Latin and history teacher at a prestigious private school outside Boston. They’re also the recent co-founder of their school’s first Gay Straight Alliance.
GSAs (also known as Genders & Sexualities Alliances) operate in many school systems across the country today. As clubs, they’re intended to serve as safe spaces for LGBTQ+ youth in middle schools and high schools. Increasingly, however, they’re also serving as catalysts for social, racial, and gender justice.
In this interview, conducted just after they founded their school’s GSA Chapter, Alex talks with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce about the valuable role GSAs can play in schools today. Not just as safe places for young people to be affirmed in their sexual orientation and gender identity. But also as resources for educating entire communities about human sexuality, sexual orientation and gender diversity. (Run time: 37:33)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Alex's interview.
released April 22, 2022
Alex Hagler is a Latin and history teacher at a prestigious private school outside Boston. They’re also the recent co-founder of their school’s first Gay Straight Alliance.
GSAs (also known as Genders & Sexualities Alliances) operate in many school systems across the country today. As clubs, they’re intended to serve as safe spaces for LGBTQ+ youth in middle schools and high schools. Increasingly, however, they’re also serving as catalysts for social, racial, and gender justice.
In this interview, conducted just after they founded their school’s GSA Chapter, Alex talks with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce about the valuable role GSAs can play in schools today. Not just as safe places for young people to be affirmed in their sexual orientation and gender identity. But also as resources for educating entire communities about human sexuality, sexual orientation and gender diversity. (Run time: 37:33)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Alex's interview.
Episode #24: Kimberly Brooks Mazella
released March 11, 2022
Imagine being in a traditional heterosexual marriage for many years and then discovering that your husband or wife is gay or lesbian.
What would you think? How would you react? What would you do? And where would you go to get help and find understanding in dealing with your situation?
In the late 1980s, Kimberly Brooks Mazella found herself in this very situation, after being married to her husband Rob for less than three years.
Today, she is a McLean, VA based counselor and therapist who specializes in working with individuals and couples who find themselves in “mixed sexual orientation” marriages.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Kimberly describes the complicated psychological dynamics at play in mixed sexual orientation marriages. She explains the challenges for both the gay partner and the straight spouse in navigating these situations. And, she talks about why it’s so important that the pain and perspectives of both parties in such relationships be respected, acknowledged, and seen as valid in their own respective ways. (Run time: 43:21)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Kimberly's interview.
released March 11, 2022
Imagine being in a traditional heterosexual marriage for many years and then discovering that your husband or wife is gay or lesbian.
What would you think? How would you react? What would you do? And where would you go to get help and find understanding in dealing with your situation?
In the late 1980s, Kimberly Brooks Mazella found herself in this very situation, after being married to her husband Rob for less than three years.
Today, she is a McLean, VA based counselor and therapist who specializes in working with individuals and couples who find themselves in “mixed sexual orientation” marriages.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Kimberly describes the complicated psychological dynamics at play in mixed sexual orientation marriages. She explains the challenges for both the gay partner and the straight spouse in navigating these situations. And, she talks about why it’s so important that the pain and perspectives of both parties in such relationships be respected, acknowledged, and seen as valid in their own respective ways. (Run time: 43:21)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Kimberly's interview.
Episode #23: Lady Di
released February 25, 2022
“Vernon Diannah Porter” is probably not a name you readily recognize. But that’s because he’s much better known by his stage name and alter ego, “Lady Di”, host of the popular Friday evening radio show, Leggs Up and Dancing, on WOMR-FM in Provincetown, Massachusetts.
Lady Di has been a popular fixture at WOMR for the last 22 years. Each week, she hosts her show from her home in Sandwich, Massachusetts, playing music -- mostly from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, -- all the while presiding over a one-person house party that she enthusiastically invites all her listeners to attend.
And her fans? They’re both numerous and diverse. Young and old, they include lots of members of Provincetown‘s LGBTQ+ community but also legions of loyal straight listeners, as well as veterans, active duty military, and fans who live as far away as Spain and Guam.
During her show, Lady Di makes her audience feel very much at home, calling listeners “Honey” and “Darling.” And more often than not, when on air, she can be heard singing along – often off key – with the likes of Connie Francis and Anne Murray, the latter of whom was a childhood friend back in their hometown of Spring Hill, Nova Scotia.
But Lady Di is much more than her on-air persona might imply. Besides being one of P’town’s most recognizable public figures, she’s also a life coach, a prodigious fundraiser for local causes, and a minister who’s officiated at over 900 straight and same-sex weddings.
In this wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Lady Di talks not only about the public personality all of her listeners know, but also about more private matters. How she was bullied and made fun of as a kid. Why she’s been described by others as “gender-gifted.” Why she finds such a strong sense of purpose in helping members of the LGBTQ+ community embrace their true identity…
And finally, about her battle with cancer. (Run time: 34:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lady Di's interview.
released February 25, 2022
“Vernon Diannah Porter” is probably not a name you readily recognize. But that’s because he’s much better known by his stage name and alter ego, “Lady Di”, host of the popular Friday evening radio show, Leggs Up and Dancing, on WOMR-FM in Provincetown, Massachusetts.
Lady Di has been a popular fixture at WOMR for the last 22 years. Each week, she hosts her show from her home in Sandwich, Massachusetts, playing music -- mostly from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, -- all the while presiding over a one-person house party that she enthusiastically invites all her listeners to attend.
And her fans? They’re both numerous and diverse. Young and old, they include lots of members of Provincetown‘s LGBTQ+ community but also legions of loyal straight listeners, as well as veterans, active duty military, and fans who live as far away as Spain and Guam.
During her show, Lady Di makes her audience feel very much at home, calling listeners “Honey” and “Darling.” And more often than not, when on air, she can be heard singing along – often off key – with the likes of Connie Francis and Anne Murray, the latter of whom was a childhood friend back in their hometown of Spring Hill, Nova Scotia.
But Lady Di is much more than her on-air persona might imply. Besides being one of P’town’s most recognizable public figures, she’s also a life coach, a prodigious fundraiser for local causes, and a minister who’s officiated at over 900 straight and same-sex weddings.
In this wide-ranging interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Lady Di talks not only about the public personality all of her listeners know, but also about more private matters. How she was bullied and made fun of as a kid. Why she’s been described by others as “gender-gifted.” Why she finds such a strong sense of purpose in helping members of the LGBTQ+ community embrace their true identity…
And finally, about her battle with cancer. (Run time: 34:52)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lady Di's interview.
Episode #22: Jane Martin & Helen Malone
released February 11, 2022
Some life partners first spot each other from across a crowded room. But not Helen Malone. With a piece of birthday cake in hand, she literally bumped into her future wife, Jane Martin from behind, at a birthday party for a mutual friend back in 2002.
From the moment they met, the lives of both women changed rapidly.
And while their lives today on Cape Cod -- with three dogs -- seems like the picture of domestic bliss, their back stories include marriages by both women to former husbands….. three kids of Helen’s – one by artificial insemination …..Jane’s journey to becoming a parent, and even a child custody battle that, at one point in their relationship, tested Helen and Jane’s collective mettle.
In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Jane and Helen, together now for over 19 years, describe what they say are the secrets to creating and sustaining a loving, long-term lesbian marriage.
What matters most, they say, are good communication, patience, compromise, and the courage and confidence to be yourself. (Run time: 39:56)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jane & Helen's interview.
released February 11, 2022
Some life partners first spot each other from across a crowded room. But not Helen Malone. With a piece of birthday cake in hand, she literally bumped into her future wife, Jane Martin from behind, at a birthday party for a mutual friend back in 2002.
From the moment they met, the lives of both women changed rapidly.
And while their lives today on Cape Cod -- with three dogs -- seems like the picture of domestic bliss, their back stories include marriages by both women to former husbands….. three kids of Helen’s – one by artificial insemination …..Jane’s journey to becoming a parent, and even a child custody battle that, at one point in their relationship, tested Helen and Jane’s collective mettle.
In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Jane and Helen, together now for over 19 years, describe what they say are the secrets to creating and sustaining a loving, long-term lesbian marriage.
What matters most, they say, are good communication, patience, compromise, and the courage and confidence to be yourself. (Run time: 39:56)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Jane & Helen's interview.
Episode #21: Rev. Dr. Joan Beilstein
released January 28, 2022
Dr. Joan Beilstein is a lesbian Episcopal Priest and Rector of the Church of the Ascension in Silver Spring, Maryland. Today, though a senior, well-respected pastor in the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, DC, there was a time when Joan was rejected by her own priest for being gay. And even after being ordained a priest herself in 1994, Joan struggled to find employment, because no one wanted to hire an openly lesbian priest.
In this revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Joan looks back on a storied career that has spanned nearly 30 years. And she talks movingly about how, for her, human sexuality, sexual orientation, gender identity, and spirituality are all beautifully and inextricably intertwined. (Run time: 35:14)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joan's interview.
released January 28, 2022
Dr. Joan Beilstein is a lesbian Episcopal Priest and Rector of the Church of the Ascension in Silver Spring, Maryland. Today, though a senior, well-respected pastor in the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, DC, there was a time when Joan was rejected by her own priest for being gay. And even after being ordained a priest herself in 1994, Joan struggled to find employment, because no one wanted to hire an openly lesbian priest.
In this revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Joan looks back on a storied career that has spanned nearly 30 years. And she talks movingly about how, for her, human sexuality, sexual orientation, gender identity, and spirituality are all beautifully and inextricably intertwined. (Run time: 35:14)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joan's interview.
Episode #20: Hollis L.
released January 14, 2022
Hollis L. is a 25-year-old individual who identifies as both non-binary and transmasculine. That means that, though assigned a designation of female at birth, they don’t fully identify with being a person of either gender. But, in Hollis' case, it does mean they tend to embrace more of a “masculine” identity than a feminine one.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, the two explore the issue of gender identity in detail. As the interview reveals, agreeing on definitions of what constitutes “masculine” and “feminine” can be a struggle, and open to broad, subjective and personal interpretation.
The two also discuss the challenges of being non-binary at work, how to talk to one’s family about one’s gender identity, and what it means to be in a relationship with another person who also identifies as non-binary and transmasculine. (Run time: 40:10)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Hollis' interview.
released January 14, 2022
Hollis L. is a 25-year-old individual who identifies as both non-binary and transmasculine. That means that, though assigned a designation of female at birth, they don’t fully identify with being a person of either gender. But, in Hollis' case, it does mean they tend to embrace more of a “masculine” identity than a feminine one.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, the two explore the issue of gender identity in detail. As the interview reveals, agreeing on definitions of what constitutes “masculine” and “feminine” can be a struggle, and open to broad, subjective and personal interpretation.
The two also discuss the challenges of being non-binary at work, how to talk to one’s family about one’s gender identity, and what it means to be in a relationship with another person who also identifies as non-binary and transmasculine. (Run time: 40:10)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Hollis' interview.
Episode #19: David Bermudez & Bob Isadore
released September 24, 2021
David Bermudez and Bob Isadore are a same-sex couple who have been together for 47 years. David, a veteran of the Stonewall uprising of 1969, met Bob, in 1974, when the two were both living and working in New York City.
At the time, David was a Manhattan-based interior designer. Bob, was an assistant buyer for Saks Fifth Avenue who hailed from Queens. As they tell PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this insightful, wide-ranging interview, their relationship began with a bounced check, and a chance glance by David of Bob in a New York City phone booth. Soon afterwards, the two realized they’d both met someone very special.
And so began a decades-long relationship between a Portuguese Catholic from Fall River, Massachusetts who loves to cook, and a burly, Bronx-born Puerto Rican who loves Judy Garland, and has a passion for rhythm and blues. (Run time: 40:10)
Please use the audio player below to listen to David and Bob's interview.
released September 24, 2021
David Bermudez and Bob Isadore are a same-sex couple who have been together for 47 years. David, a veteran of the Stonewall uprising of 1969, met Bob, in 1974, when the two were both living and working in New York City.
At the time, David was a Manhattan-based interior designer. Bob, was an assistant buyer for Saks Fifth Avenue who hailed from Queens. As they tell PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this insightful, wide-ranging interview, their relationship began with a bounced check, and a chance glance by David of Bob in a New York City phone booth. Soon afterwards, the two realized they’d both met someone very special.
And so began a decades-long relationship between a Portuguese Catholic from Fall River, Massachusetts who loves to cook, and a burly, Bronx-born Puerto Rican who loves Judy Garland, and has a passion for rhythm and blues. (Run time: 40:10)
Please use the audio player below to listen to David and Bob's interview.
Episode #18: David Bermudez/Letter from President Obama
released September 24, 2021
David Bermudez's work on behalf of gay rights has continued since the days of the Stonewall uprising. Listen, as he tells PFLAG Cape Cod's Rick Koonce, about the letter he received in the mail one day, acknowledging his decades of work on behalf of all gay and lesbian Americans. (Run time: 2:23)
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released September 24, 2021
David Bermudez's work on behalf of gay rights has continued since the days of the Stonewall uprising. Listen, as he tells PFLAG Cape Cod's Rick Koonce, about the letter he received in the mail one day, acknowledging his decades of work on behalf of all gay and lesbian Americans. (Run time: 2:23)
Please use the audio player below to listen to this episode.
Episode #17: David Bermudez
released June 25, 2021
In the history of the gay rights movement, there are few moments as pivotal as the Stonewall uprising – a night in June 1969, when, confronted by a police raid at the Stonewall Inn in New York City, members of the LGBT community fought back against police injustice.
One of those present in the bar in the early morning hours of June 28th 1969 was David Burmudez. In this moving interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Bermudez, today a member of PFLAG Cape Cod along with his husband, Bob Isadore, describes the events of that fateful evening more than a half century ago. (Run time: 47:58)
Please use the audio player below to listen to David's interview.
released June 25, 2021
In the history of the gay rights movement, there are few moments as pivotal as the Stonewall uprising – a night in June 1969, when, confronted by a police raid at the Stonewall Inn in New York City, members of the LGBT community fought back against police injustice.
One of those present in the bar in the early morning hours of June 28th 1969 was David Burmudez. In this moving interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Bermudez, today a member of PFLAG Cape Cod along with his husband, Bob Isadore, describes the events of that fateful evening more than a half century ago. (Run time: 47:58)
Please use the audio player below to listen to David's interview.
Episode #16: Interview with Ryan R.
released May 21, 2021
Ryan R. is a 24-year-old non-binary lesbian. In Ryan’s case, that means that though they are lesbian and like to date women, they don’t identify with being called a girl or a woman. They also don’t embrace the attributes of traditional femininity, as our society typically defines them.
“Words like “girl” or “woman” don’t describe how I feel about myself,” Ryan tells PFLAG’s Rick Koonce in this wide-ranging interview. Ryan goes on to say that being non-binary means different things to different people. In their case, it has given them the freedom to pursue both personal relationships -- and their continuing discovery of self -- without feeling hemmed in by traditional gender roles and social expectations. (Run time 39:02)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Ryan's interview.
released May 21, 2021
Ryan R. is a 24-year-old non-binary lesbian. In Ryan’s case, that means that though they are lesbian and like to date women, they don’t identify with being called a girl or a woman. They also don’t embrace the attributes of traditional femininity, as our society typically defines them.
“Words like “girl” or “woman” don’t describe how I feel about myself,” Ryan tells PFLAG’s Rick Koonce in this wide-ranging interview. Ryan goes on to say that being non-binary means different things to different people. In their case, it has given them the freedom to pursue both personal relationships -- and their continuing discovery of self -- without feeling hemmed in by traditional gender roles and social expectations. (Run time 39:02)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Ryan's interview.
Episode #15: Nell Fields
released May 7, 2021
Nell Fields is a born-again Christian, social justice advocate, and a happily married lesbian who’s been with her wife Sarah for over 20 years. She’s also the minister of Waquoit Congregational church in East Falmouth, Massachusetts.
As she tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this compelling interview, her coming out story wasn’t easy. She and a one-time partner once faced discrimination by the Church.
For Nell, it was a moment of shock, hurt, and deep disappointment. But, in retrospect, that moment of exclusion -- of being the other -- proved a key turning point in Nell’s future pastoral career. In fact, it has shaped her progressive pastoral vision and inclusive ministry to people of all kinds ever since!
(Run time 31:13)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Nell's interview.
released May 7, 2021
Nell Fields is a born-again Christian, social justice advocate, and a happily married lesbian who’s been with her wife Sarah for over 20 years. She’s also the minister of Waquoit Congregational church in East Falmouth, Massachusetts.
As she tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce in this compelling interview, her coming out story wasn’t easy. She and a one-time partner once faced discrimination by the Church.
For Nell, it was a moment of shock, hurt, and deep disappointment. But, in retrospect, that moment of exclusion -- of being the other -- proved a key turning point in Nell’s future pastoral career. In fact, it has shaped her progressive pastoral vision and inclusive ministry to people of all kinds ever since!
(Run time 31:13)
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Episode #14: Deer Sullivan
released April 23, 2021
Bisexuality. Even among members of the LGBTQ + community it’s a concept and reality that’s often not well understood, acknowledged, or appreciated. As a result, people who identify as bisexual sometimes feel marginalized and rejected, even by those who describe themselves as members of other sexual minorities.
In this revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Deer Sullivan, a bisexual educator and counselor, talks about the realities of being bisexual in a world that tends to see sexuality in “either/or” terms. With a blend of passion and humor, Deer says there are a lot more people in the “middle of the sexuality continuum” than we commonly imagine. (Run time 34:56)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Deer's interview.
released April 23, 2021
Bisexuality. Even among members of the LGBTQ + community it’s a concept and reality that’s often not well understood, acknowledged, or appreciated. As a result, people who identify as bisexual sometimes feel marginalized and rejected, even by those who describe themselves as members of other sexual minorities.
In this revealing interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Deer Sullivan, a bisexual educator and counselor, talks about the realities of being bisexual in a world that tends to see sexuality in “either/or” terms. With a blend of passion and humor, Deer says there are a lot more people in the “middle of the sexuality continuum” than we commonly imagine. (Run time 34:56)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Deer's interview.
Episode #13: Dr. Maureen Osborne
released April 9, 2021
Dr. Maureen Osborne is a psychologist and gender therapist who has spent over two decades serving the needs of transgender clients.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Maureen talks, in depth, about her work with a variety of transgender men and women over the years. She describes the human anguish, confusion, and shame transgender people often experience, when they feel trapped in bodies that feel alien to them.
And, she offers both compassion and hope to anyone who either thinks they might be transgender, or who has embarked upon the difficult path of gender exploration and transition. (Run time 37:59)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Maureen's interview.
released April 9, 2021
Dr. Maureen Osborne is a psychologist and gender therapist who has spent over two decades serving the needs of transgender clients.
In this fascinating interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, Maureen talks, in depth, about her work with a variety of transgender men and women over the years. She describes the human anguish, confusion, and shame transgender people often experience, when they feel trapped in bodies that feel alien to them.
And, she offers both compassion and hope to anyone who either thinks they might be transgender, or who has embarked upon the difficult path of gender exploration and transition. (Run time 37:59)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Maureen's interview.
Episode #12: Ali Sands
released March 26, 2021
Ali Sands is an author and professional speaker who writes and speaks frequently on the topics of love, relationships, intimacy, and gender expression and identity. They’re topics she knows a lot about.
Married for 23 years to a straight man, and mother of two children, in 2002 Ali began a relationship with a new partner, who, at the time, inhabited a physically female body, but who soon told Ali that they were, in fact, transgender. Thereafter began an epic 10-year journey, as Ali accompanied her partner, who took the male name “Rhys”, as he embarked on the emotionally and physically painful transition to become a transgender man.
As Ali tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, in this moving and wide-ranging interview, the journey Ali took with her partner was one that taught her a great deal, not only about love, intimacy, and gender expression, but about perseverance, courage, her steadfast commitment to the love of her life, and, the simultaneous search for her own identity. (Run time 46:20)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Ali's interview.
released March 26, 2021
Ali Sands is an author and professional speaker who writes and speaks frequently on the topics of love, relationships, intimacy, and gender expression and identity. They’re topics she knows a lot about.
Married for 23 years to a straight man, and mother of two children, in 2002 Ali began a relationship with a new partner, who, at the time, inhabited a physically female body, but who soon told Ali that they were, in fact, transgender. Thereafter began an epic 10-year journey, as Ali accompanied her partner, who took the male name “Rhys”, as he embarked on the emotionally and physically painful transition to become a transgender man.
As Ali tells PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, in this moving and wide-ranging interview, the journey Ali took with her partner was one that taught her a great deal, not only about love, intimacy, and gender expression, but about perseverance, courage, her steadfast commitment to the love of her life, and, the simultaneous search for her own identity. (Run time 46:20)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Ali's interview.
Episode #11: Dirk Correia
released March 12, 2021
Dirk Correia is a twenty-something transgender male who identifies as nonbinary -- meaning that they don't identify with being either entirely male or female, as society typically understands those terms.
As Dirk explains to PFLAG Cape Cod's Rick Koonce in this illuminating interview, their journey to accepting themselves as nonbinary has been a long, and, at times, difficult process -- one that has required courage, grit, and a steadfast resolve and self-reliance to be something that society today doesn't yet fully understand, appreciate or embrace. (Run time 33:26)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Dirk's interview.
released March 12, 2021
Dirk Correia is a twenty-something transgender male who identifies as nonbinary -- meaning that they don't identify with being either entirely male or female, as society typically understands those terms.
As Dirk explains to PFLAG Cape Cod's Rick Koonce in this illuminating interview, their journey to accepting themselves as nonbinary has been a long, and, at times, difficult process -- one that has required courage, grit, and a steadfast resolve and self-reliance to be something that society today doesn't yet fully understand, appreciate or embrace. (Run time 33:26)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Dirk's interview.
Episode #10: Lori Duron
released February 26, 2021
Lori Duron is the mother of a gender creative son, and author of the book and blog, Raising My Rainbow, both of which describe her life as the parent of a gender variant child.
The guest speaker at PFLAG Cape Cod’s 2020 Annual Meeting, she tells Rick Koonce in this interview that she considers herself a “fierce Mama bear” who would do anything to safeguard the rights of her son CJ, and his brother Chase. (Run time 44:53)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lori's interview.
released February 26, 2021
Lori Duron is the mother of a gender creative son, and author of the book and blog, Raising My Rainbow, both of which describe her life as the parent of a gender variant child.
The guest speaker at PFLAG Cape Cod’s 2020 Annual Meeting, she tells Rick Koonce in this interview that she considers herself a “fierce Mama bear” who would do anything to safeguard the rights of her son CJ, and his brother Chase. (Run time 44:53)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Lori's interview.
Episode #9: Rabbi Elias Lieberman
released February 12, 2021
Rabbi Elias Lieberman is a social justice advocate, the father of a bisexual daughter, and an ally of LGBTQ+ people everywhere. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, he explains his deep sense of commitment to LGBTQ+ rights. (Run time: 29:16)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Elias' interview.
released February 12, 2021
Rabbi Elias Lieberman is a social justice advocate, the father of a bisexual daughter, and an ally of LGBTQ+ people everywhere. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, he explains his deep sense of commitment to LGBTQ+ rights. (Run time: 29:16)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Elias' interview.
Episode #8: Joanne Hush
released January 29, 2021
Joanne Hush is the mother of a gay son and a lesbian daughter. Both came out to her decades ago, when prejudice against gay people was rampant. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she describes the challenges of “coming out” as the parent of gay children in the 1980s. (Run time: 27:35)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joanne's interview.
released January 29, 2021
Joanne Hush is the mother of a gay son and a lesbian daughter. Both came out to her decades ago, when prejudice against gay people was rampant. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she describes the challenges of “coming out” as the parent of gay children in the 1980s. (Run time: 27:35)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joanne's interview.
Episode #7: Alex
released January 15, 2021
From an early age, 36-year-old Alex knew that he was different. But, it would take him years to discover he was transgender. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, he describes his journey in pursuit of his authentic gender identity. He also talks about how his mother, Susan, (profiled in Episode #7) was always his ally. (Run time: 28:52)
And be sure to check out this video interview with Alex and his parents, Susan and Roger, from September 2025.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Alex's interview.
released January 15, 2021
From an early age, 36-year-old Alex knew that he was different. But, it would take him years to discover he was transgender. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, he describes his journey in pursuit of his authentic gender identity. He also talks about how his mother, Susan, (profiled in Episode #7) was always his ally. (Run time: 28:52)
And be sure to check out this video interview with Alex and his parents, Susan and Roger, from September 2025.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Alex's interview.
Episode #6: Susan Smith
released January 1, 2021
Susan Smith is the mother of a 36-year-old transgender son, Alex (featured in Episode #7), whom she raised with her husband on a rural Pennsylvania farm. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she talks about how being the parent of a transgender child was a transformative life experience for her. (Run time 34:28)
And be sure to check out this video interview with Susan and Roger, and their trans son, Alex, from September 2025.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Susan's interview.
released January 1, 2021
Susan Smith is the mother of a 36-year-old transgender son, Alex (featured in Episode #7), whom she raised with her husband on a rural Pennsylvania farm. In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she talks about how being the parent of a transgender child was a transformative life experience for her. (Run time 34:28)
And be sure to check out this video interview with Susan and Roger, and their trans son, Alex, from September 2025.
Please use the audio player below to listen to Susan's interview.
Episode #5: REMOVED
removed January 27, 2025
Given the current political environment in the United States and the newly announced anti-trans policies of the U.S. Administration, the individual previously profiled in this interview requested that their story be removed from the PFLAG Cape Cod website because of personal safety concerns.
removed January 27, 2025
Given the current political environment in the United States and the newly announced anti-trans policies of the U.S. Administration, the individual previously profiled in this interview requested that their story be removed from the PFLAG Cape Cod website because of personal safety concerns.
Episode #4: Robyn Keating
released December 4, 2020
Robyn Keating is a 26-year-old transgender woman, an attorney, and the child of Dina (profiled in Episode #3). In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she talks about the support her mother provided to her during her transition, and describes her life as a young transgender woman today. (Run time: 40:18)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Robyn's interview.
released December 4, 2020
Robyn Keating is a 26-year-old transgender woman, an attorney, and the child of Dina (profiled in Episode #3). In this interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she talks about the support her mother provided to her during her transition, and describes her life as a young transgender woman today. (Run time: 40:18)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Robyn's interview.
Episode #3: Dina Guarino
released November 20, 2020
Dina Guarino is the mother of a transgender woman (Robyn, profiled in Episode #4). In this lively and moving interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she describes the roller coaster of feelings that a parent experiences on learning a child is transgender. (Run time: 27:37)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Dina's interview.
released November 20, 2020
Dina Guarino is the mother of a transgender woman (Robyn, profiled in Episode #4). In this lively and moving interview with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce, she describes the roller coaster of feelings that a parent experiences on learning a child is transgender. (Run time: 27:37)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Dina's interview.
Episode #2: Paula Degree
released November 6, 2020
In her mid-sixties, and still a married man in a second marriage, Paula Degree realized, in a therapist’s office, that she was transgender. Listen as she tells her moving, deeply personal story about becoming a Trans Woman to PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce. (Run time: 29:43)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Paula's interview.
released November 6, 2020
In her mid-sixties, and still a married man in a second marriage, Paula Degree realized, in a therapist’s office, that she was transgender. Listen as she tells her moving, deeply personal story about becoming a Trans Woman to PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce. (Run time: 29:43)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Paula's interview.
Episode #1: Joey Morisset
released October 23, 2020
At the age of 18, Joey Morisset, winner of PFLAG Cape Cod’s 2020 Anne Toran Scholarship, is a young gay man who’s already found his voice as an advocate and champion for young LGBTQ+ Americans. Listen as he talks with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce about how he found courage to be himself in high school. (Run time: 25:36)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joey's interview.
released October 23, 2020
At the age of 18, Joey Morisset, winner of PFLAG Cape Cod’s 2020 Anne Toran Scholarship, is a young gay man who’s already found his voice as an advocate and champion for young LGBTQ+ Americans. Listen as he talks with PFLAG Cape Cod’s Rick Koonce about how he found courage to be himself in high school. (Run time: 25:36)
Please use the audio player below to listen to Joey's interview.